Episode #32: Tobias Leenaert – The Best (Business) Strategy For Spreading Compassion
“We have to just accept that change is going to be slow, and I think the new system is going to be built with money from the old system.”
Of all the images that come to mind at the term ‘vegan activist’, the calm, pragmatic approach of Tobias Leenaert is probably right at the bottom of the pile for most people. But that, or the fact that he writes under the name of Vegan Strategist, shouldn’t fool you into thinking he’s not absolutely passionate about bringing change and eliminating animal suffering. He’s simply accepted the fact that the bottom line can be achieved more effectively by understanding your audience, the things that may be holding them back and by making the change so effortless for them they don’t even realize it’s happening.
A man after my own heart, in short.
Tobias co-founded and led the Belgium-based vegan advocacy group EVA (Ethical Vegetarian Alternative) for years. He also works closely with Melanie Joy, best known for her theory of carnism as the invisible belief system that allows otherwise ethical, compassionate people to continue consuming animals. And part of his approach could actually be compared to Dr Joy’s theory – Tobias understands that it’s not just attitudes that lead to behavior change. It’s the other way around too.
What that means is that adopting the attitude of veganism doesn’t need to come from without, as a result of messages that often shock and repel at least as many people as they shock and convince. The attitude change can come gradually, as a result of the widespread availability of vegan options.
Even though Tobias writes about all manner of issues that the vegan movement is facing, I wanted to hear his opinions on vegan business in particular, and this aspect was the perfect starting point for our conversation on how companies can drive the change, and how marketing budgets often exceed campaign budgets of most organized animal-rights movements.
The end result, however, is the same – less suffering. A more plant-based future. A world where you get your vegan in-flight meal served as standard. This interview is about the ways that business can take us there.
Vegan strategist: Main website
JUST PUBLISHED – Tobias’s book: How to Create A Vegan World – A Pragmatic Approach*
The organization Tobias co-founded: EVA
Calendar of workshops at Vegan Advocacy
Melanie Joy’s US-based organization: Beyond Carnism
More information on the reducetarian movement
Probably one of the most impactful documentaries on animal suffering: Earthlings (WARNING: graphic scenes)
Hampton Creek in its rebranded form: Just.
World’s biggest meat processor getting into plant-based investments: Tyson New Ventures
The state of plant-based dairy in EU: Could be better
*This is an affiliate link – purchasing through it won’t cost you extra, but I’ll receive a small percentage of the sale, which I’ll gratefully use to create more great content for this site.
How To Subscribe
Here's how you can subscribe to The Plant-Based Entrepreneur Show podcast and keep up to date with new episodes coming out weekly:
iTunes - Search for The Plant-Based Entrepreneur Show within the iTunes app or follow this link: https://itunes.apple.com/mx/podcast/plant-based-entrepreneur-show/id1203332540?l=en and select 'Open in iTunes'. Click on 'Subscribe' and you're done.
To leave a review, find The Plant-Based Entrepreneur Show in iTunes, click on the show graphic, then select 'Ratings and Reviews' and click on the button 'Write a Review'. You rock!
Podcast Addict & other podcast apps - Add The Plant-Based Entrepreneur Show to your list of favorite podcasts by using the iTunes search engine or adding the podcast feed directly: http://www.theplantbasedentrepreneur.com/feed/podcast/
Email - Get on The Plant-Based Entrepreneur Insider List by clicking here or subscribing in the footer below with your name and email, and you will get links to all new episodes delivered straight to your inbox, along with other news from the rapidly expanding plantbased world and specials only shared with our tribe.